7/6/10 ΕΚΛΟΓΕΣ Ομοσπονδίας Μηχανοκίνητου Αθλητισμού Ελλάδος

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Τρεις λαλούν και δυο χορεύουν …..

Το θέμα μας κύριοι είναι η ομοσπονδία Ο.Μ.Α.Ε.

Κάποιοι θέλουν 24 εξετάσεις και μια σπέσιαλ ψυχιατρική αποτοξίνωση για να απαλλαχτούμε από την ανωμαλία που τους βάρεσε κατακούτελα …..και τα σενάρια φαντασιοπληξίας….

ΕΛΕΟΣ ΟΧΙ ΑΛΛΑ ΣΚΟΥΠΙΔΙΑ ΒΡΩΜΗΣΕ Ο ΤΟΠΟΣ.

Για αυτό δεν πάει αυτή η χώρα μπροστά …..

Το 4Χ4 SPORT CLUB NAYΠΛΙΟΥ δεν είναι σε καμιά ομάδα Δουκερη , Αποστολίδη , Κατσιμαλη αλλά υποστηρίζουμε ένθερμα την ίδρυση της Ο.Μ.Α.Ε. και θα αγωνιστούμε για αυτό που νομίζουμε σωστό.

[GENERAL LEE]

Νίκο δεκτό... Αυτή είναι η αντιμετώπιση κάποιου που ΕΚΑΝΕ ΕΝΑ ΛΑΘΟΣ...

ωπ σουζα τ αλογακι ...καλα κανεις κρατα και καμια πσινη δεν ξερεις ή μαλλον ξερεις τι ξημερωνει χαχαχχαχα

Νούμερο... θες πολλά ακόμη για να φτάσεις στο Νο 1... και μάλλον δε θα φτάσεις ποτέ...

Τι πρεπει να κανω για να κατεβω νουμερο δασκαλε ???

Από το Facebook έχουν δηλώσει ακόμη συμμετοχή οι:
Κασωτάκης
Μαρδάς
Αττάρτ
Γεωργάκης
Κωστής
Χρήστου
Ευτυχίδης κ.α

λες να μην τρέξουν; Τα τελευταία 4-5 χρόνια το κάνουν ανελειπώς!!!

Αν δεν ήσουν χθεσινός και ΑΣΧΕΤΟΣ θα ήξερες ότι κάπου στα τέλη Ιούλη ξεκαθαρίζουμε τις συμμετοχές και φτάνουμε στο γνωστό αριθμό. Αλλά που τέτοια γνώση; Ποιός την έχασε;

Δεν θες να παρω την λιστα και να σου την αναλυσω ...θα εχουμε γελια και κλαματα ταυτοχρονα

Άλλωστε, όπως είπε και ο Δημητριάδης, 40-50 θα έχουμε!!! Βρέξει χιονίσει. Γιατί ο κόσμος εκτιμά τις προσπάθειες του Ιχνηλάτη και την αγάπη μας για τους αγώνες. Και πάνω απο όλα το ότι ΔΕΝ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΗΣΕΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΟΥΜΕ ΠΟΤΕ ΚΑΚΟ ΣΕ ΑΓΩΝΑ, όπως εσύ και οι φίλοι σου, νούμερο. Και ούτε θα ΚΑΝΟΥΜΕ ΠΟΤΕ.

μπααααα !!!!
τωρα ειναι σωστος ο Δημητριαδης ???
Γιατί χτες που στα είπε τον εκραξες !!!!

Αλλά εδώ το θέμα είναι η ΑΝΥΠΑΡΚΤΗ ΕΚΠΡΟΣΩΠΗΣΗ ΤΟΥ 4Χ4 ΣΤΗΝ ΟΜΑΕ. Γι΄αυτό έχεις να πεις κάτι; Ή είναι ψηλά γράμματα για σένα οι ομοσπονδίες και η εκπροσώπηση;

ναι εχεις δικιο ...εγω δεν ξερω τιποτα για το εγκλημα ....εσυ ομως τα ξερεις ολα

Και για να μαθαίνεις ΠΩΣ πετυχαίνονται αυτοί οι αριθμοί, την ώρα που εσύ και οι φίλοι σου αναζητάτε το πως θα κάνετε κακό στον 24ωρο, εμείς επικοινωνούμε με το εξωτερικό, προσπαθώντας να φέρουμε ξένες συμμετοχές στον αγώνα, όπως έχουμε κάνει επανελημένα μέχρι σήμερα.

Μέσω facebook φαντάζομαι ε ?

Ακου Αθανασιου και βαλε το καλα στο μυαλο σου ! Μου ειναι αδιαφορο πρωσοπικα το ποσο επιτυχημενος ειναι ο αγωνας σου και δεν με απασχολουν οι συμμετοχες .Αυτο που με πειραζει ειναι αυτο το δουλεμα μεσα στα μουτρα μας , και η λασπολογια με τον τροπο που την κανεις .

Κανε το παιχνιδι σου αλλα μην μου κεντριζεις τον εγκεφαλο γιατι θα παψω να σφαζω με το βαμβακι , ακονιζω τη χατζαρα !!!!

[stavrosd]

Άλλωστε, όπως είπε και ο Δημητριάδης, 40-50 θα έχουμε!!! Βρέξει χιονίσει. Γιατί ο κόσμος εκτιμά τις προσπάθειες του Ιχνηλάτη και την αγάπη μας για τους αγώνες. Και πάνω απο όλα το ότι ΔΕΝ ΕΧΟΥΜΕ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΗΣΕΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΝΟΥΜΕ ΠΟΤΕ ΚΑΚΟ ΣΕ ΑΓΩΝΑ, όπως εσύ και οι φίλοι σου, νούμερο. Και ούτε θα ΚΑΝΟΥΜΕ ΠΟΤΕ.

Πράγματι αυτό είπα αλλά με μπερδεύεις ρε Γιάννη!
Στο προηγούμενο θέμα με κατηγορούσες οτι υποβίβαζα τον αγώνα σου, τώρα το χρησιμοποιείς ώς επιχείρημα (αύτή ήταν η πρόθεσή μου απο την αρχή αλλά...)
Με μπερδεύεις και με πονηρεύεις!

Το πιστεύω αυτό που γράφω, αλλά το νου σου άμα το παρακάνεις ο πάτος είναι πιο κάτω

[Γιάννης Αθανασίου]

Αρη

το κάνω - δεν κάνω αγώνα, το αφήνω ανολοκλήρωτα έπαθλα, το θεωρώ τους αγωνιζόμενους χρηματοδότες μου, το θεωρώ τους άλλους αγωνιζόμενους υποδεέστερους, το πληρώνω και κάνω ότι θέλω και άλλα πολλά που κάνουν οι φίλοι σου δε σε ενοχλούν;

Ούτε βέβαια το γεγονός ότι οι ίδιοι προσπάθησαν να ματαιώσουν τον μεγαλύτερο αγώνα 4Χ4 στην Ελλάδα! Ούτε το γο γεγονός ότι έχουν αναγάγει τους αγώνες σε σύστημα ενδυνάμωσης των προσωπικών τους ταμείων! Ούτε βέβαια το γεγονός ότι η μόνη τους συμβολή στο καλό των αγώνων είναι η επί πληρωμή συμμετοχή τους στους άρχοντες κάποιων αγώνων.

Καλό σε βλέπω... και για νούμερο ένα με τίποτε. Να σου κεντρίζω τον εγκέφαλο; Γιατί έχεις και τέτοιον;

Και τον Gadasin μέσω facebook τον φέραμε. Και είναι ο παγκόσμιος πρωταθλητής, όχι "στρατηγός" του αμερικανικού εμφυλίου...

Σταύρο

αν η χρήση της δήλωσής σου σαν το κατώτερο όριο την αναβαθμίζει σε θετική για τον αγώνα, τί να πω...

Και πράγματι καταφέρνετε καλά να καλύπτετε τις απαντήσεις που δεν έχουν ακόμη δωθεί:

1. Ποιοί είναι οι εκπρόσωποι λεσχών 4Χ4 στην ΟΜΑΕ;
2. Θα γίνει ή όχι το Hellenic Rally Raid;

[superspiounos]

Αφού ξεφύγαμε ας δούμε τι ακριβώς είπαν οι ξένοι.....


http://www.gforce-motorsport.com/en/pre ... sleslovije


Greece. Athens. +20 degrees at the street is abnormal warm weather for the end of November. Certainly, when G-Force team was invited on the race we could not refuse such tempting prospect - to get acquainted with rally-raids in the new country and a to have a rest after a heavy season. So we initially perceived this visit almost as holiday from slushy Moscow and St. Petersburg in solar Ellada.

And now after the race, when we have still couple of days for the rest in the beautiful and hospitable country. It is possible to sit at the seacoast and to talk about the last competition.

So what impressions has left the main off-road event of Greece?

Vladimir Demjanenko - Race has appeared a not such as I expected. After a meeting with organizers where we were told about race, I waited for simply heavy 24 hours of rally-raid. But it was not really the rally-raid, it was something different.



Boris Gadasin - I liked competition. I have seen a bit different way of development of off-road discipline. In Greece in competitions elements and rally-raid, and trophy-raid and a certain off-road adventure are combined. And all it is connected organically and interestingly.

Really in Greece there is a uniform discipline 4х4. And on Championship start were both raid cars, and cars with winches prepared for trophy, and almost standard cars for which separate tracks were laid. As we were explained by organizers - in the country have chosen soft and gradual transition to FIA requirements not to scare away and to lose participants for whom it is too expensive to build expensive prototypes. Therefore the basic class of road cars - Production, and much more limited than in Russia to avoid race of arms. And such original and mixed structure of participants dictates also the format of competitions, and the requirements for the roads.

VD - For me the track was very much pleasant, suberb. In spite of the fact that there were also dangerous sites, especially in mountains, I do not have absolutely any negative emotions. And weather favoured, chilly, grip on road was good, quite good safety zones in the turns. And also the track was marvellously soft, almost there were noy much stones. Certainly, excluding those frank trial sites in gorge where all was in huge cobble-stones, or a stone channel of the river which I simply do not perceive as road. Very various and safe roads. I though even it has not been blocked, during competition on it practically there were no counter cars. Probably night time of the SS has served its purpose, and the district was chosen so successfully and with knowledge of features.

BG - It seems to me that it is one of the best tracks which I saw. It causes only positive emotions, especially if you love technical and driving roads. On technical local roads do not concede to the best Portuguese, thus they are even more twisting and three-dimensional. For me there was an excellent training in mountain district. And without looking at all that I drove the car very different from mine, I think in the future it will benefit to me.

The car given by organizers of race for our crew was really unusual - almost standard Mitsubishi Pajero, on a class of Production in its Greek interpretation. The first acquaintance on tests has left pleasant impression, and it only has amplified during the race.


BG - I did not drive the Production cars for a long time. It is pleasant that it was possible to adjust the car good enough on the tests - we have worked a little with a suspension and brakes. As a result on the race the special discomfort neither on loading on an organism, nor on management of car was not felt. In general should tell that driving principles on Production or on the strong SuperProduction car about identical, only on different speeds.

VD - I consider if the car has sustained all uneasy track, it means its good car. And on own sensations - it was comfortable enough for me.

The greatest unexpectedness waited us where anything did not foretell them. Rules of rally-raids in Greece have appeared very specific. Very much did not suffice for us information about the race course because constantly there were the moments obvious for all others, but absolutely unexpected and strange for our crew, got used to go strictly by FIA rules.


VD - The race structure was difficult for understanding. It is very a pity that in advance have not explained all local features for us, only general phrases that a pier all as usually have simply been told. Actually here all rules are especial and are applicable only to this race.
All these contactless starts-finishes, original system of time calculation - it was very difficult and nervously to understand all of it during the race. It is a pity that we did not understand it in advance. And a road book have given only at the start and we could not understand it at all in advance. Go and not to know by what rules you have to go - incorrectly.

For example in a road book there were parts on the SS where speed limit in 30 kph has been specified and it was not clear where they operate - on this position or on all the following part. Whether we did not know is it the recommendation, or possible to have a penalty for infringement, we didn't know rules of this game.

BG - Yes. And about that some stages were appears on a movement regularity, instead of for the speed we in general have learnt only in service from results. We constantly outran an estimated time on route list and were not ready to have a penalty for that.


VD - In general now, looking back, I understand that all 24-hours track consisted as though of 3 kinds of the stages - usual high-speed SS to which we have got used, the SS on a regularity of movement with the chucked specification and liason which really was one of SS kinds on a movement regularity, but with the stretched time. It was not liasons at all - we went on gravel roads but there was a tarmac nearby. With Boris, we counting on normal liason, removed helmets and with surprise saw that all Greek crews go in helmets and equipment. And they were right - these sites were high-grade stages, with holes, pools, they did not allow to relax at all, it was necessary to be guided constantly, we even were lost some times.

The most regrettable those besides our errors were obvious errors in the road book, and such which I did not see for a long time already in legends. It was sometimes visible that different parts of the road book were written by different cars, sometimes there were errors in distances to 400-500 meters. In general about the road book it would be desirable to tell separately - it has obviously been written under certain specifics of this race.

Usually the legend urged to facilitate as much as possible orientation, and here it has been urged to give minimum information about navigation. Imagine absolutely empty road book on 800km. There were no any comments, anything except arrows, there were no instructions on a covering, there were no specifications and there were no bindings. And arrows purely conditional, they did not reflect at all complexity of turns.

At first I as usually tried to dictate as in rally complexity of turning movements, but in mountains instead of drawn "three" were frank "six". It was necessary to recollect skills of orientation on our races in Russia and completely to describe everything that I saw on a picture that I didn't do any more for a long time. Often it was necessary to search together with the pilot "for the third journey behind the fifth turn". But I do not see anything negative in it, it even was interesting, simple for us already unusually

BG - Yes, it was necessary to be guided, look together with the co-driver in a road book and to compare it to district. Few times we left the car and searched for bindings. Night orientation considerably adds complexities, especially to the co-driver, therefore it is necessary to work especially difficult sites together. In general the format of this race gives considerably more contribution of co-drivers in the result, than for example in habitual International Cup where the track is densely marked.

VD - For me it was pleasant to go at night - you cann't see a precipice and it is not so scarring!

BG - I agree In general, strangely enough, night driving did not deliver complexities. On our car it has been established six additional headlights and it has appeared that at artificial light mountain sites even was more convenient to drive, because all small relief is visible, the race line much better, than it was visible in the afternoon. And as a whole race delivered pleasant emotions. Likely for the first time we have arrived on race not for the sake of result, but simple for pleasure. Probably therefore, omissions which have not givven possibilities to finish have not upset us. And probably because our rate has quite satisfied me. We easily enough outran the Greek sportsmen, acting on the identical technics and on the same roads unfamiliar for us.

All that could understand Vladimir was that has washed away the road and it is necessary to be cautious. Crew started with this installation, but the stage was good enough also was no any unexpectedness.

But on liason our crew "was lost" - that road which has been described in a road book simply did not exist, the car rested against the big landslip. As the similar moments already were, and having overcome a barrier Boris was possible to find behind it the road (that is the barrier was an element of impassability for overcoming) has tried to pass through a landslip, especially traces of the car which have passed before them were visible. Having overcome about 2/3 of the obstacle guys have rested against impassable deadlock. Then there was a suspicion that there was a failure in orientation, and correct turn where in other place. They have returned on stage finish and try to find correct way.

These searches proceeded long enough, fuel level almost fell, but it not so disturbed, because just in the end of liason refueling has been organized. And at that time the information has arrived that mechanics of the Greek team that organizing refueling, made a mistake, and nobody waits our crew in the refueling zone... The crew has made decision to come back in service because the further searches of correct road could lead to easier stop with an empty tank somewhere in mountains. So this race in which they were in the lead with overwhelming advantage has unexpectedly ended for Boris and Vladimir, but did not finish.

Already next day, in conversation with the main organizer the reason of wanderings of our crew became clear - the opening car checked a line before racers and has found out the big landslip on a road, was convinced that journey is not present (that traces Vladimir saw) and having called officials on the start of the previous stage ordered to warn racers and to redirect them on other road. Unfortunately at that time nobody mined that our crew does not know the Greek language and the officials does not speak English, and they couldn't explain co-driver where we have to go.


BG - And still once again I will underline that this incident has not spoilt a general impression from race at all. I will take away the warmest memoirs from Greece and I'm very grateful to organizers for possibility to start here. And still separately it would be desirable to note very benevolent atmosphere on the race, including among participants. It was very pleasant to communicate with the Greek pilots, they were always ready to help.

VD - That's true. It was necessary to us to stop on liason for a wheel changing and each passing crew stopped and offered help. And in general, all behaved very friendly.


So the general opinion of our crew - this Greek race is not similar on any other. It's very original and interesting, probably it's need more accurate organization, but it can be simple we has no knowledge of the Greek language and local mentality. But in any case it has left good and pleasant memoirs in our souls.





Που να ήξεραν ότι μπορούσαν να κάνουν και αγώνα ..... ιστιοπλοίας

[Γιάννης Αθανασίου]

1. Ποιοί είναι οι εκπρόσωποι λεσχών 4Χ4 στην ΟΜΑΕ;
2. Θα γίνει ή όχι το Hellenic Rally Raid;

Απαντάσει σε αυτό ο Gadasin;

Kαι σίγουρα δεν είχαμε το επίπεδο των αγώνων του διεθνούς επάθλου της FIA που έχει συνηθίσει να τρέχει. Και σίγουρα η γλώσσα - δεν μιλάει κάν αγγλικά - ήταν ένα πρόβλημα. Αλλά οι γενικές εντυπώσεις είναι θετικές.But in any case it has left good and pleasant memoirs in our souls. μετ: ...σε κάθε περίπτωση άφησε καλές και ευχάριστες αναμνήσεις στις ψυχές μας.

Αλήθεια ποιός απο εσάς έχει τολμίσει να υποβάλει τον αγώνα του στην κριτική ενός παγκόσμιου πρωταθλητή;

Κανένας βέβαια. Όπως κανένας δεν τολμά να απαντήσει στις παραπάνω ερωτήσεις. Κρύβεστε αγαπητέ όπως η στρουθοκάμηλος! Και θα τινάξετε έναν ακόμη θεσμό στον αέρα, όπως με τα Rally Raid to 2007 και τα Trial Κεντρικής Ελλάδας το 2009. Τολμάτε λοιπόν, εσείς, να πιάνετε τον 24ωρο στο στόμα σας; Αρκετό κακό δεν κάνατε στους αγώνες 4Χ4 μέχρι στιγμής;

1. Ποιοί είναι οι εκπρόσωποι λεσχών 4Χ4 στην ΟΜΑΕ;
2. Θα γίνει ή όχι το Hellenic Rally Raid;

Θα απαντήσετε; Έχετε κάτι να απαντήσετε; Ή θα λειτουργήσετε και πάλι κάτω απο το τραπέζι, προσπαθώντας να κάνετε κακό;

Σα δημοσιογράφος, σαν αγωνιζόμενος, σαν οργανωτής, σαν τετρακίνητος, περιμένω μία απάντηση.

ΥΓ. Τετρακίνητος απο αυτούς που ψάχνουν για δυσκολίες και δεν κολάνε σε 5 εκατοστά χιόνι, όπως κάποιοι στο Μέτσοβο, κύριε Κατσιμαλή.

[superspiounos]

Ναι.... ότι πεις εσύ master


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASDTDxcw4Kg

[Γιάννης Αθανασίου]

1. Ποιοί είναι οι εκπρόσωποι λεσχών 4Χ4 στην ΟΜΑΕ;
2. Θα γίνει ή όχι το Hellenic Rally Raid;

Απαντάει σε αυτά ο πρόεδρος του Εδεσαϊκού;

[stavrosd]

Καλά βρε Σπύρο τώρα τη λές και εσύ!
Σε γενικές γραμμές ο αγώνας τους άρεσε και άφησε καλές εντυπώσεις! Είχε προβλήματα (ακούς Γιάννη δεν είσαι αλάνθαστος)αλλά τους άρεσε!
Το να τονίζεις μόνο τα αρνητικά δεν είναι σωστό και τίμιο και το ξέρεις!
Να πώ την αμαρτία μου δεν το είχα διαβάσει αλλά για το βάθος που το αναλύουν συμφωνώ απόλυτα. Ο αγώνας σαν σύνολο άρεσε, βελτιώσεις παίρνει πολλές αλλά άρεσε.
Αυτο νομίζω οτι είναι αδιαμφισβήτητο.

Στην τελική είναι μία προσπάθεια αξιέπαινη!
Αλλά όλοι σας παραμονεύεται ποιος θα κάνει λάθος, την γκέλα να πέσετε να τον φάτε ΟΛΟΙ!
Και Γιαννη είσαι και εσυ μέσα στους πρώτους! Αυτά τα περι εμείς δεν κάνουμε κακό στους αγώνες των άλλων τα ακούω βερεσέ! Στα είπα και απο κοντά και μου απάντησες οτι είναι δημοσιογραφία... αλλά εγω την λέω στρατευμένη... τεσπα

[superspiounos]

....

Σα δημοσιογράφος, σαν αγωνιζόμενος, σαν οργανωτής, σαν τετρακίνητος, περιμένω μία απάντηση.
....

Γιάννη - προχώρα - σε θέλει όλη η χώρα

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s3P3OFXSv0